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Old 03-02-17, 08:59 PM   #1
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We had a strange phone call this week from the DWP to say Emma's claim for PIP has gone for further consideration this week and we should hear the outcome in 7-10 days time. The strange thing is that we had our original and mandatory reconsideration turned down flat. Has anyone else had this happen, the reason given to us was that medical evidence was to be looked at again, no new evidence has been sent so we are once again left in the no mans land which is the benefit system. x
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Old 05-02-17, 09:39 AM   #2
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We had a strange phone call this week from the DWP to say Emma's claim for PIP has gone for further consideration this week and we should hear the outcome in 7-10 days time. The strange thing is that we had our original and mandatory reconsideration turned down flat. Has anyone else had this happen, the reason given to us was that medical evidence was to be looked at again, no new evidence has been sent so we are once again left in the no mans land which is the benefit system. x
I can't say for sure but I wonder if, having been turned down flat, the DWP are now reviewing their HD appeals in light of something that came about in October? Not sure if it is even linked as such but they have certainly picked HD for exemption of a sorts.

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Otherwise... If they are talking about the medical evidence being looked at again it does make me wonder if they have had something come up with one of the assessors/medical evidence providers having their judgement/qualifications questioned'. For example if they have been seen to be doing something wrong and all their cases now needing to be scrutinised for dodgy reasons?
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Old 06-02-17, 10:24 PM   #3
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I can't say for sure but I wonder if, having been turned down flat, the DWP are now reviewing their HD appeals in light of something that came about in October? Not sure if it is even linked as such but they have certainly picked HD for exemption of a sorts.

See example article HERE

Otherwise... If they are talking about the medical evidence being looked at again it does make me wonder if they have had something come up with one of the assessors/medical evidence providers having their judgement/qualifications questioned'. For example if they have been seen to be doing something wrong and all their cases now needing to be scrutinised for dodgy reasons?
Never considered the dodgy decision maker. I read the article and I did wonder if this had been applied to Emma even though she does not get ESA, they tell her she not ill enough yet.
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Old 01-03-17, 10:20 AM   #4
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Just wanted to update you, Emma has been given the enhanced rate of PIP for the care componant (this we felt was a fair assesment), however we had to chase to receive the outcome of the review, and during one of these calls, we were told that medical evidence had just been received. This means that we were turned down flat on 2 occasions, without any medical evidence being presented.
In the future I think i will get copies of all Emma's medical assesments and send them with with her applications, in the hope that this will not happen again.
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Just wanted to update you, Emma has been given the enhanced rate of PIP for the care componant (this we felt was a fair assesment), however we had to chase to receive the outcome of the review, and during one of these calls, we were told that medical evidence had just been received. This means that we were turned down flat on 2 occasions, without any medical evidence being presented.
In the future I think i will get copies of all Emma's medical assesments and send them with with her applications, in the hope that this will not happen again.
Hi again glasshalful!

Really pleased for your daughters result and thank-you for the update...it's always good to hear something positive. I have to say, though, I still feel so very angry, that families are having to go through such a shambolic system in their PIP applications. it's still too hit and miss by far. My daughters application as I have mentioned before, went to appeal. Nearly every answer to the questions was dismissed initially as 'we do not believe etc etc!!).!No face to face interview (which admittedly would also have been stressful), no medical assessments seen or asked for, no contact made to ask about the replies..that they so blatantly dismissed as being untrue ... Not that we could elaborate any more and such care was given to the completion of the form initially. It seems almost by chance that a decision was looked at again in your daughters case? We eventually received help from our SHDA and also Specialist Nurse, who wrote letters on our behalf for the appeal process.There has to be a better /different way of dealing with PIP applications. I have a friend.... registered blind and in receipt of DLA previously, now refused PIP! I understand changes are often bought in, in order to see that disability payments are being 'fairly awarded (!?),' but really....PIP seems to so far have had the opposite outcome!

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Just wanted to update you, Emma has been given the enhanced rate of PIP for the care componant (this we felt was a fair assesment), however we had to chase to receive the outcome of the review, and during one of these calls, we were told that medical evidence had just been received. This means that we were turned down flat on 2 occasions, without any medical evidence being presented.
In the future I think i will get copies of all Emma's medical assesments and send them with with her applications, in the hope that this will not happen again.
Good to hear you guys are finally being afforded recognition of the impact of HD but what a shambles that decisions are being based on only half the evidence initially

I know it's extra work, and maybe sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie as it were, but your example would be very good evidence that the PIP assessment system has fundamental flaws. I'd be tempted to write to my MP (CC Dept Health; DWP and the HDA) to highlight the Assessors are making mistakes where not taking into account the full evidence. One would like to think medical evidence being taken into consideration was fundamental to making a full and fair assessment!
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Old 14-03-17, 10:20 AM   #7
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At the weekend i listened to the lady on radio 4 who was interviewed before regarding her husbands claim for PIP. As with Emma her husband had been turned down flat twice with no points, she applied to be heard by a tribunal and only then did she receive enhanced rate for both benefits without attending the tribual. Lets hope that whatever changes have taken place will filter through the system and be implemented at the beginning of the process.
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At the weekend i listened to the lady on radio 4 who was interviewed before regarding her husbands claim for PIP. As with Emma her husband had been turned down flat twice with no points, she applied to be heard by a tribunal and only then did she receive enhanced rate for both benefits without attending the tribual. Lets hope that whatever changes have taken place will filter through the system and be implemented at the beginning of the process.
Let me tell you Citizen's Advice told me they are sciring lower on purpose so as to NOT give people PIP. They don't wish to give PIP out yet this replace DLA so how can they do that to people is beyond me. I myself get PIP for a few thing just lower rate and not money for travel. I got it after mandatory reconsideration. I'm glad the OP got the higher rates for her daughter she needs them. It's disgusting the way they treat people. I know budgets are tight, but HD is an obvious illness you cannot disguise or fake it.
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Never considered the dodgy decision maker. I read the article and I did wonder if this had been applied to Emma even though she does not get ESA, they tell her she not ill enough yet.
You know what fight that ESA decision and use the PIP as evidence if you can! You do not say how long Emna has had HD, but I know and you too know there's no way they cannot say someone with HD is not ill enough yet! My mum fell flat over and broke her ribs one day at work and could not walk steadily after that so what a joke they are. Have you been to tribunal? Write to your MP I read of it helping someone get ESA in the support group no tribunal after their MP got involved. You need to do that.
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